The Prime Effect: The Environmental Footprint Behind The World's Largest Online Retailer
That package at your door. It begins with power-guzzling server farms. Gargantuan distribution centers. Tens of thousands of trucks. More than 80 commercial planes. And billions of cardboard boxes.
Today, On Point: Our series The Prime Effect takes a look inside the world’s largest online retailer and its impact on planet earth.
Tom Rivett-Carnac, co-founder of Global Optimism. Co-host of the Outrage and Optimism podcast. Co-author of “The Future We Choose: Surviving the Climate Crisis.” (@tomcarnac)
Eliza Pan, she worked for Amazon from 2013-2019. Co-founder of Amazon Employees for Climate Justice.
On the environmental impact of placing an order on Amazon
Anastasia O’Rourke: “Especially over the past year and a half of this pandemic … we’re all doing a lot more online ordering. But really, it starts with you, with the decision to buy those shoes, or buy whatever it is you’re buying from Amazon. So really, you could think about, you’re starting with making a decision to buy something. Researching it a little. In this case, going on to Amazon.com and selecting the shoes and clicking that button. Once that happens, we can think about all of the different associated impacts, environmental impacts with that box, with the shoes in the box.
“So to just sort of walk that back a little bit, we can think about the packaging itself, of the box itself. And that’s often something very tangible. You know, it’s a very visible sort of show of a lot of potential waste associated with that. Is this being recycled? Like what happens to that, you know, after we’ve used it for that period of time. So there’s a whole set of impacts associated with that, depending on how the box is made, where is it from, what sorts of forests were used to grow the trees to make the wood, to make the cardboard, et cetera.”
On quantifying Amazon’s impact on the environment
Anastasia O’Rourke: “There’s ways of doing sort of high-level descriptions that aggregate a lot of information just to get a real sense of it. It’s also a question, do we want to spend time measuring it or do we want to spend time being really, really accurate with that? Or do we want to spend time actually trying to address the biggest problem?
“So one of the things that I think many people in the environmental community are now working on is really prioritizing those impacts that are really pressing, and material and problematic that we know enough to know we need to act on them now. And we don’t need to measure every single sort of impact of every single paper clip here. We need to focus on those categories that are really that big and problematic. And so I think that’s the way to address it. Otherwise, we’ll just have the paralysis-by-analysis problem.”
On Amazon’s climate plan
Tom Rivett-Carnac: “Amazon came out in 2019 and committed to be net zero by 2040, so that is 10 years ahead of the Paris Agreement. The best science when we negotiated the agreement between governments in 2015 was that we needed to reduce our impact on the climate to nothing by the middle of the century. And the whole organizing idea behind the climate pledge is that if that’s what the world’s governments are saying, then Amazon wanted to go faster.
“And so created this climate pledge that requires companies that sign up, and Amazon was the first signatory, to be transparent about their emissions according to commonly recognized standards, and to disclose that publicly. To reduce their emissions through genuine reductions in business processes, in everything they do in transportation and heating and cooling, to get that down really as far as it can. And then with the residual rump of emissions that can’t be reduced to buy credible, reliable, permanent offsets to get that down to zero. So that’s the plan.”
From The Reading List
NBC News: “Amazon workers demand end to pollution hitting people of color hardest” — “An internal petition signed by 640 Amazon tech and corporate employees is asking the company to raise its emissions goals and address the disproportionate environmental harms its logistics empire leaves on Black, Latino, Indigenous and immigrant neighborhoods where its warehouses are often concentrated.”
Forbes: “Opinion: Amazon Delivers On Its Sustainability Commitments And Then Some” — “If you follow the news or live in an area affected by any of the recent major national disasters, we could be now witnessing the effects of climate change firsthand.”
Green Biz: “Companies made climate commitments — now it’s time to stop making climate chaos” — “Last year, corporate climate commitments went mainstream. Climate and clean energy commitments are no longer just for trailblazing corporations with thick profit margins.”
Wall Street Journal: “Amazon and Other Tech Giants Race to Buy Up Renewable Energy” — “The race to secure electricity deals for power-hungry data centers has tech companies reshaping the renewable-energy market and grappling with a new challenge: how to ensure their investments actually reduce emissions.”
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